Bree Hartman - From Gym Owner To Self-Storage

Bree Hartman, a former gym owner, ventured into the self-storage industry with a bold pivot that paid off. Transitioning from the challenges of rental properties, she found a new avenue in self-storage that offered the cash flow and freedom she desired. Now, not only is she successfully managing self-storage facilities, but she's also sharing her journey and expertise through coaching and mentoring at her self-storage school. Bree's journey from the fitness world to the realm of self-storage presents valuable insights for those looking to diversify their real estate portfolio and find strategic property acquisition opportunities for increased portfolio growth.

In this episode, you will be able to:

• Learn how Bree was able to master the transition from gym owner to self-storage investor and how it can open new doors for your business growth.
• Discover the lucrative benefits of investing in self-storage and how it can diversify and expand your commercial real estate portfolio.
• Uncover the strategic approaches to finding prime self-storage investment opportunities and maximizing your returns.
• Streamline and optimize your self-storage business through effective automation strategies for increased efficiency and profitability.
• Explore the potential of partnering in self-storage investments and leveraging collective expertise for greater success in the commercial real estate market.

The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:00 - Why Storage is a Great Asset Class
00:06:19 - Finding Partners and Making Deals
00:11:55 - Setting Up a Solid Partnership
00:12:30 - Why Self Storage is a Great Asset Class
00:13:49 - The Four Ds of Self Storage Usage
00:17:40 - Implementing Technology in Self Storage
00:21:10 - Finding Self Storage Properties
00:27:16 - Building Relationships with Owners
00:30:06 - Overcoming Limiting Beliefs in Real Estate Investing
00:32:52 - Connecting with Bree and Accessing Resources

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Read the full transcript:

Bree Hartman
Why I think storage is a great, like asset class and why I picked it is that I don't love hospitality. So some people like right now they love Airbnbs and they love making them look great and they have, they love that part of the community piece. Storage is wonderful because it's a simple, stupid, keep it simple, stupid business with automation.

Mike Swenson
Welcome to the Real Freedom show where we inspire you to pursue your passion to gain time and financial freedom through opportunities in real estate. Your host, Mike Swenson. Let's get some real freedom together. Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of Real Freedom where we talk about different ways that you can build time and financial freedom through different opportunities in real estate. I'm your host, Mike Swenson. If you want to get started on your real estate investing journey, check out our website, freedom through real estate.com. we've got a lot of great resources on there, podcast episodes, articles for you to read. It's really all about you finding your path and your journey with what resonates best based on your past situation. So I'm excited today to be able to share a great story with you for those that might be interested in self storage. We've had a few people on over the years that do self storage. I know it's something that's very intriguing for people. And so our guest today is Bree Hartman. Went from being a gym owner to getting into self storage. So love to talk about kind of that transition to real estate, how that works and how you got into real estate investing. But now you run a self storage school where you do kind of coaching and mentoring and helping people. So love to hear your journey transitioning into self storage. So thank you for being on the show, Bree.

Bree Hartman
Oh, thank you. No, I'm so excited just to talk to you about it. So I was a, yeah, gym owner for the past, gosh, for those five years. And when I got pregnant with my first kiddo, I was like maybe 10 weeks pregnant. And I hit that point where as a, like you're expecting mom and you're like, oh my goodness, I can't wake up at 5:30am and like work all the way till like 7:30. Nor did I want to. So that was my really big pivot was where I woke up one night and I was like, I was listening to a podcast actually and I we had one accidental rental and so I thought that really was going to be like, okay, I want to own 20 different like homes in California. And then I figured out really quickly that there was toilets, tenants and Then more problems really fast with service dogs. So that kind of led me down the line of, like, what else is there? Right? So if you want more, like, kind of like freedom and cash freedom, I kind of went through that whole podcast. I go and explore, like, what other asset classes, and I heard about self storage. And so when they kind of talked about that, there was no tenants, no toilets, and you can have that cash flow and have automations. That was when my light bulb went off. So when I was like 10 weeks pregnant, I woke up in the middle of the night and I actually bought a ticket to Las Vegas to go to the storage conference to be like, is this my thing? Right, you go and explore. And so I went there, bought like a $2,000 ticket to go all the way to this conference and didn't know one lick about storage. But I came back and I think it just being inspired that, you know, you can go bigger. And so that was something that I was like, my one thing was going to be to buy a storage facility in 2021 and sell my gym. So that was my little bit of that transition. So. But yeah, it was. It's been a big, gigantic roller coaster. But I think being a owner, like a business owner itself, you have a lot of skill sets and you have a lot of, you know, curiosity, and one dot leads to the next dot. So that was a little bit of the beginning about how I got self storage.

Mike Swenson
Yeah, you touched on a few kind of common themes that we hear from people, which is, you know, kind of trying to pick your thing. And I also remind people, too, that it's okay to change. You know, like, you may decide that self storage is great and you want to build another leg on top of that in a different asset class in the future, and that's okay. I think sometimes people decide not to make a jump because they're waiting for the perfect thing. And so you don't really know what the perfect thing is until you get into it. And so kudos to you for going bold and doing something big. But if you got into self storage and didn't like it, like, you can then pivot and do something else too. And so I want to remind people that it's okay to change as you go, but, you know, a big piece of that is just taking action. So what was that process like for you, transitioning then or what? What happened with the gym business as you transitioned into real estate?

Bree Hartman
Yeah, so I think that was. I think you. I first started with like a big. Why was that? My. Why Was like, you know, hey, I desired a different lifestyle because it's so fascina you as your first time in business, you kind of. I feel like I did everything wrong. You know, you do everything yourself. You build it out yourself. And you're like, you don't. You have a hard time hiring, right? There's this, there's a lot of new skill sets that come about. But I really think that, like, what happened was with that big desire, I was like, okay, I'm going to go buy a storage facility. And so I was underwriting as I was pregnant. I was training people all through the day. And then at nighttime I was listening to webinars, I was analyzing deals, I was having conversations with my people that I met at conferences and you know, with the consistency, which is kind of crazy. And that big why for me was, hey, like, I want to do something more like in with my life and, and reverse engineering it. So that was actually my. How we actually bought our first storage facility as I met my two partners at a conference in Idaho, middle of nowhere, but didn't even know them, but met them. And we just continued to Breeng deals. Like you nurture relationships after conferences. A lot of people, what they do is they go to conferences, get some knowledge, meet some cool people, and they come home and then they forget about them. So I was able to, like, we really nurtured and jumped in a lot of analysis. And I just got better and better underwriting, like a deal a day. And then actually my business partner came to me and was like, hey, I think I found this deal. And so that was the, the turning point, which is really kind of crazy is I ended up selling my gy 2 months before giving birth. And then we also purchased a storage facility like it was we six weeks after giving birth. So it was this like really crazy pivot of, you know, but I, I had a whole year of underwriting and a whole year of like, I was learning about this asset class before pulling the trigger. So that's something that is like, you are constantly looking at deals or constantly saying, hey, can. How can I find, you know, financial partners? And then you pull the trigger and become an operator. So I remember, which is kind of crazy is I had my, my baby girl six weeks strapped to me. And we actually did a Small Business association loan, which means SBA loan. So this is if you don't know, it's just a fancy word that if you go out and you can get a business, you can actually do a government loan that is sponsored and you can put only 10 to 15% down instead of having to put 35 down that a traditional bank would ask. So SBA was our perfect, you kind of savior of like, hey, we're getting in to storage. We want to make sure our equity spread out. And so that was how we did our first deal. It was $3.1 million. And so we were in, it was in Louisiana. Out of all the places like I'm in California, never thought that I would own a, you know, a property in Louisiana. But when a deal pencils it pencils. And so we took it down together. So there's three of us total in that deal. And you know, one of my partners is a great operator, another partner is a great development. And then I do a lot of the marketing and the advertisement and then Breenging new deals to the team as well. So it's been a really great experience. And that, that facility which is really neat, it's 370 units, half of it is climate controlled and the other half is drive up. And then we also have, we immediately put in 67 RV and boat spots. So like new gravel, new area. And then we also have a cell phone tower. So we created that facility that used to be, it used to have a 40 hour a week employee. We actually created all nonmanned, so everything's automated, which is great. And that's why I got into storage was because I created my fitness business the wrong way. And I wanted to be able to work from home and be able to scale a business model or a vehicle that you can actually build wealth, which is cash flow for your lifestyle in addition to, you know, independence. And then to have life options for my family and my baby girl. So it's been just a wonderful blessing. And so we're, you know, our goal are 10 facilities to our portfolio in the next 5 years. And so we're just, we just sold one in South Carolina for a wholesale, which was kind of cool. And then we are buying one in Arizona. So we just have which a sale agreement signed, which is exciting too.

Mike Swenson
So you had talked about finding your partners. A lot of people probably listen to this, have questions of like, what are those conversations look like? And for you to move forward with partners that you haven't worked with before. It's not like you're like, hey, I did 10 deals on my own and now I want to have a partner and work. But it sounds like you've got a pretty good division of labor too and expectations and talking about who does what. So kind of what, what does that Conversation look like when you were deciding, like, do I want to partner with these people? How does that work? And then kind of, how do we put pen to paper to make sure we've got the roles and all that stuff Fig out.

Bree Hartman
Yeah, no, I want, that's a great question. So I, I want to like, back up too, because I think people from residential, I mean the traditional residential, if you're long term, is like, you're getting 200 to maybe $500 of cash flow every single month maybe. And on a good day, and then in commercial, you between 4,000 and like $16,000 of cash flow each month. So you just have a bigger piece of the pie. And so I actually came into commercial, you know, wanting to partner with my dad. You know, it's family. It's no like and trust. And so I bro him deals. I spun my wheels for six months Breenging him deals. And every single one, it was no, you know, there's so much too much risk. And so I found out the hard way, right? Daughter, father, sometimes it works. But they care about you, right? And they want to protect you on all costs. And then his type of risk tolerance is different than my type of risk tolerance. You know, he's in retirement. I'm wanting to grow. And so it's just, it was interesting to be like, I think just to understand that and then to be able to go out to conferences and find your people, right, that want to scale and that want to build something, you know, bigger than you. And so that was something that was really important to me to understand because I, I always, I truly believe, and I, and I talked about this to my students, is that you don't have to do it alone. I think there's this mentality of like, I've got to find the deal, I gotta find the investors, I've gotta be the operator. Like, I've gotta do it all. And that was my, like, I think, really big learning lesson in my first business is I thought that and that mindset kept small. So being able to explore, I always say explore the right partnerships is important. And then having those hard conversations because you as a, as like a partner, I mean, this is, this is another relationship. This is someone who you're going, you know, pretty much like dating, because anything that happens to them can happen to you. So to be a responsible partner, we, we talked for a full month in our operating agreement. You know, we know exactly at the, what happens at the end, right? Because in relationships there's always, sadly, an end. And no matter how you Talk about it. But I think that's the smart way. Just like a marriage is like, hey, so if someone goes bankrupt, right? What happens if someone gets a divorce? What happens what you know, if someone dies, you know. So we went through all these scenarios and we actually were able to safe case each one of them having open conversations and then come to the end knowing that, you know, hey, this is a solid partnership that we understand, you know, what can happen at whatever these little pieces are and that we have each other's back, you know. And so I think that really set us up for success because we had hard conversations from the start.

Mike Swenson
Now you talked about kind of comparing self storage to some of the other classes. You know, obviously there's, there's kind of more cash flow potential here earlier on for people that are considering like, oh my gosh, in real estate there's all these different asset classes. I don't know which one to choose. What are some of the things that drew you to the self storage but then also too from like an operational standpoint, what are the things that are kind of the, the key bullet points to be thinking about as you're maybe trying to look at a deal and decide whether it makes sense or not?

Bree Hartman
Yeah, so I'm going to start because that's like, I feel like a three part question which I love for people that don't know too much about storage, like why I think storage is a great like asset class and why I picked it is that I don't love hospitality. So some people like right now they love Airbnbs and they love making them look great and they have, they love that part of the community piece. Storage is wonderful because it's a simple, stupid, keep it simple, stupid business with automation, which I love. And you know, we all come into business to not only do business but to also provide value to a community too. So storage is a, you know, cinder block, I always say three sides cinder block building with a concrete floor and a roll up door and might not even have a light. And so to me that is, you know, our expense ratio in this asset class is 35%. And so that's the standard ratio within industrial too. Now if we go to multifamily they're looking at 55% without debt. Now if you look at hotels they're at 68%. And so storage, you have a huge larger margin a for, you know, we call it margin of error for stupidity, you know, as a business owner. And then we go margin of error of cash flow because that's what we're here to do is to have life options with our family and to provide a business that can actually help our family grow as well as financial wealth. So that's why I love storage. And then we also look at it and I'm fascinated. Have you ever used storage in your lifetime, like to store anything?

Mike Swenson
We did when we moved houses, when we were kind of decluttering and all that.

Bree Hartman
And so it's so fast. So they call it like the four Ds. And so it's like Hawaii. People like one out of eight people use self storage like in their lifetime. And it's because of number one, the sad death, divorce, decluttering and then disaster, natural disasters. And so people come to storage to store their stuff maybe seasonally or for a very long time. And it's kind of, it's a nice, you know, piece where maybe someone's downsizing or there's an estate sale and people will put it in storage for, you know, maybe a year and it becomes a subscription based business because, you know, normally like the wife, I'm the one that's like, I don't want stuff in my house. I'd rather have it somewhere else. And we are a consumer economy, right? So Amazon, Amazon packages come all the time. So people being able to put it into storage and then every single month kind of push the easy button because, you know, if say I raise rates by 8 to 10%, you know, that might be man, like only $8 for you, but it's $8 times 200 units, right? So that's a big increase that can, you know, really affect your purchase, the increase of your purchase price of your facility. So I wanted to show this is that we love doing rate management and people will continue to pay because they're not going to go on a Saturday, right? Take the time out of their kids football games or soccer games to go run a U Haul or grab their friend's truck to go take their stuff. Because $8 was added on to go to another facility down the line that's going to be just $8 less. So there really is a sticky part component to storage as well. And it's not someone's immediate home, you know, so we aren't having to go through some of these laws and regulations that Airbnb and, you know, home and renters are going to have to, you know, really deal with. And so there's just a lot of key pieces I think for me that added up to being like, wow, this is a solid business model that I can Take, you know, you do it one time. Sometimes your first deal is the hardest. And you can take that model and come and plop it onto another market and you can build, that's how you, you can build. Your portfolio is buying, you know, one facility, one to two facilities each year. Right. You only need one to two to change your life. And so that was my biggest piece since how I got in. And now we're just going to recircle, circling that model over and over again.

Mike Swenson
It's funny you mentioned that about short term rentals. One of the cities here in the Minneapolis St. Paul area is just starting a conversation now about rental regulations and for short term rentals and all that. I was just thinking about how silly it would be of like, let's have a city council meeting to talk about whether or not we kick self storage out of our city. You know, like that's, that's not going to happen. So very smart.

Bree Hartman
Yeah, I mean, and we have some of those talks and we have lobbyists and that kind of thing. And we always, you know, it's like you, you have to think about it, but at the same time, like, we don't have to go through some of those regulations, you know, at this point in time. So it helps to, you know, I think just safeguard the, the ability of that asset class. And there's a lot of people from the Airbnb that, you know, are in trouble right now because they bought in 2020 and they bought too high and you know, they're, they're trying to figure out the occupancy and, and all those different things that can go up and down with the economy.

Mike Swenson
And then you also mentioned too about, you know, the, the purchase that you made where it was a man facility. Now with technology, there's lots of ways to be able to, you know, take those people out of it, lower your costs, lower the, the human error, you know, literally. And so that's one of those things where you can then scale in different ways because you're taking what you're learning, making it smarter, making it more efficient.

Bree Hartman
And I love it. So I'll kind of take you through like how we create our non man facility. It's like a three prong process. But no one wants to talk to anyone these days, like I'm a millennial, you know, like if I can't rent online, you know, people are going to go elsewhere. And so how we do it is, you know, you'd find us online as a website or Google and I can show you this example but you find us, you'd be able to click on that website, find that 10 by 10 that you want to rent, and it goes through. There's like a whole example of which size you need. And so you can actually purch that. And then as soon as you purchase it, it'll send you a lease that you can easily sign on your phone. And then you upload, just take a picture of your driver's license. And then instantly automated with a workflow is a text message and email. So you get the gate codes texted to your phone, you get that gate code texted to your email. You go up to the gate, open it up with that code, and go straight to your unit, put that same code in, and, you know, put your stuff in, put your own lock, drop the other lock off, off, and you're ready to go. Like, there was no need for anyone to be there. There are also QR codes along, like the full gates. And so we have, we have a call center on staff and that they work 24 7. But what's kind of neat is that that helps a business reduce, you know, expenses, costs. And so that's something that's important. And also I, you know, a lot of people don't want to work right now. Like, it's hard to. I have a lot of other business owner friends that, you know, are like, hey, I'll hire people, and I just can't get them. And that was my big thing with my gym was like 1099s I train and put all this energy in, and then they would leave, you know, good for them, you know. Absolutely. But as an owner yourself, you're looking at like, how do you keep talent, you know, and keep them satisfied and all the things. So it's just really nice in the storage world. Like our 1099, she's amazing. She's retired and she loves her job, and she works 10 to 15 hours a week for us, us and, and it. That's like a perfect mix where, you know, we were able to a, have someone there on staff just in case to do lock audits. And then also being able to cut costs because we really don't need it. And then there's fun AI that comes into it. So we're trialing this if you're interested in hearing it. But, you know, it's like all these cool things. So we're. We're doing a test. This is not, you know, we haven't decided yet, but there's a. An AI. So if you call the call center at certain points, like from 9 to 5 or 8 to 5, they'll get a real human. But if we're testing this out with AI, that they have all these different voices, we inputted all the frequently asked questions, and now AI has a talker that sounds just like me who can talk back and answer all these questions and get them, you know, get a unit, read it with a call to action, which is wild. So we're testing it out. But, you know, businesses that don't integrate AI are going to get left behind because this is another great place of, you know, how can we combine technology and reduce our expenses in addition to always providing the best customer service, which is always the top part of the business.

Mike Swenson
Now, you had talked about wanting to demonstrate. So for those people that are watching, if you're listening to this on a podcast player, hit pause, hop over to our YouTube channel, let's pull this up. But you want to be able to show people, like, how to find properties, because for somebody that hasn't done self storage or is interested in self storage, it's like, well, geez, how would I even go about finding properties? And so you're wanting to kind of just show a quick demonstration of what that looks like. So go ahead and share your screen.

Bree Hartman
My favorite thing is like my, my secret sauce and my like, business partnership. And my skill set is like, I do a lot of the marketing pieces and then I find deals. Like I'm a deal finder. So I have, I own my own acquisition. So it's Storage House Group. I've got three virtual assistants that are also helping, like cold call and find storage deals. And then we do a lot of seller financing negotiation and working directly with owners instead of having to go through the brokers. But this is one of my favorite tricks. If you guys have not seen this, it's really amazing. So I think I asked Mike, I was like, Mike, give me a city in Minnesota that's between like 8, 000 people and a hundred thousand people or 150,000. And the reason why I asked that is because, number one is like, we're looking for mom and pop storage operators that are ready to retire and might not have a website on their storage facility. And it needs, you know, maybe a little bit of capital expenditure, a little bit more of like a lipstick on the pig. We call it a paint job to make it look nicer, to add some value. And so I was like, I think you picked Mankato.

Mike Swenson
Mankato.

Bree Hartman
Mankato. Oh man, I bet you that Mankato, Minnesota. Okay, so I'm gonna Walk you guys through this. So it's really cool. You just go to the Googles Google Maps and then you can just put in like Mankato, Minnesota and what you're going to do is you're going to click so you'll click nearby right here, click nearby. And then we're going to just put in Mankato, Minnesota and so it'll pop up right here. And so what you're going to actually do is put, you're going to come in here and put Self storage. Let's go, let's go. Self storage, Self storage. Because Google's all smart, can find a lot finds all the not only businesses need to apply to be on Google's but they find restaurants, they can find RV parks, they can find a lot of different things that people don't talk about. And you will miss some, you know, so there is some that might not have been on, you know, on Google Maps at all too. So I always like to preface that. So this is kind of the, call it the Google Map Pack. And so these are all the storage facilities right here in this little town. But what I'm searching for is number one is, does you know, do they have a website? And number two is, is the website actually like a good website that you can rent a unit online? Because there's a lot of websites, you guys that still have that like rotating e or like Godaddy.com that don't are awful that were like made back in like 1999. So if you come down here we're going to look for ones first that have no website which is wild because somehow they survived Covid without having to be found online. But this is a perfect example ABC Storage. And so we're going to kind of come over here and take a look at ABC Storage. So ABC has 4.1 stars. So anything I say less than 4 stars can indicate that it's also mom and pop. So that's number two. And then number three, anything that has 10 or less reviews can also indicate that they are mom and pop because they're not utilizing the full capability of you know, Google and the marketing space. So we're going to kind of come on in here and take a look at this one and see if it is a Mom and pop. So this is like a night it's kind of off a little bit the beaten path but you know, nice looking facility. And so what I can do is I can drop my man. Okay. This is out in the middle of nowhere. So the Google Maps don't even recognize that, but I want to try a different one because I want you guys to actually like see it. But you can see like I would call this facility all day. Like it looks like it has maybe like this larger property. You can expand a little bit. And it's the photos right here. Like, you know, you know that they're not 2018 was the last time they updated it. So it might be a really good one to give the owner a call and just say, hey, you know, would you actually be open to an offer? And so it's this easy, which is kind of crazy. And that's what I wanted to show like you and the podcast, like viewers is like, it's not that crazy to find there's 76% of self storage facilities are still mom and pop versus multifamily. There's about only 9 to 10% are mom and pop because a lot of institutional players syndications have come into the field with more money and they're buying other ones out. Right. So I like to say storage has less competition. Is kind of what I wanted to like show. And so we're going to come and come down here. Fuse Mini storage. So that looks beautiful. This is a beautiful big property. No website, like, nice, good reviews right by the highway. Like this is a large property. Like I would buy this all day long. So I was like, you better, Mike, you better call them or goodbye and say hi. But see, gorgeous like has beautiful ball of fence, but that's okay. And so this would be a perfect one. And so like how I approach it is either you can drive for dollars drop normally like this one looks like it doesn't have an office. It might have an office on the like the back side. But I bet you if you called they probably is either the wife or the husband that owns it. And so how I always like kind of start my conversations is just, you know, hey, Mr. Hugh, probably I saw your Felicity as I was like looking, you know, down on Google and I just, I really liked how it was really clean. You know, I like the red, the red doors. Just wanted to see like, would you ever consider an offer, you know, on your facility? And that opens up that question. And he might be like, you know, actually, yeah, tell me, tell me more. You know, and that gives you permission to kind of start asking. And if he's like, nah, you know, not right now. Then I kind of talk to him like, well, hey, I'm just curious, like, how did you buy the storage facility? Tell me about your story. And so we get to start into that know like and trust which is really important to build. And that's how I've been buying a lot of my storage facilities is I find them on the Google Maps apps and I give them a call or I'll drive by and have a conversation with the owner. I'm just buying one in Arizona. So it's on 8 acres, it's RV and boat and storage. And I, I struck up a great conversation with the wife and the husband and they're like hey, we've owned this for 17 years. Like we're ready to retire. And so we're doing a wholesaler financing deal. $2 million, about $400,000 down. $450,000 down. 5% interest, 10 year balloons and amortized over 40 years which is kind of wild with interest free payments for the first year. But it's going to be a great, great deal, you know. So the goal with that is to you know it, add some value to it and within three years we'd be able to sell it on market at like 3.7 or we would hold it. So it's kind of that nice, you know, like value add that you see and you build the relationships and you make it happen, happen. So that's just like a little, a little bit. I don't know if that was helpful. Like you better call this place because this is beautiful. Like it's a gorgeous facility.

Mike Swenson
This is a college town. So you know, they might have, I guess, I don't know, not being a self storage guru but you know, I'd think a college town would have a lot of those opportunities because you've got people moving in, moving out.

Bree Hartman
It's like multi family right across the way, like townhomes. Right. Not as townhomes but still like that's a great indicator and by the freeway. So yeah, that's something I just wanted to show you guys real quickly. Like just to add value and, and show how you can be creative and not have to use all these different softwares. And it's, it's very, it can be very simple as you know, just giving a business owner a call and having it, striking up a conversation and leading that conversation to hey, I'd love to give you money. Right. Like that's what you're doing is you're not selling them something. I'd like to give you money for your facility if it's the right time. Right. It's not pushy if it's the right time. Yeah.

Mike Swenson
And you think about like yeah, in multifamily, you know you can't just, you know, call the owner of the apartment easily and say, hey, are you looking to sell? But when it's a business like this, you're at least in front of a decision maker on a phone call. It might not be the owner, but at least somebody that could point you in the right direction. And so that's just a form of lead gen that you know, is, is readily available because of the industry that you're in.

Bree Hartman
Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's, you know, that's why I love kind of being able to have those convers and, and, and then the follow up game. Right. Like sometimes it's not always on that first conversation but for I've been working this seller for about four months, four and a half months. And so it can take some time, you know, to build that relationship and trust. But when it happens, you know, you only need, right that one facility a year and you're at keep adding them to your portfolio and soon, you know, you've got not only enough cash flow to live on to not you know, maybe to leave your W2, but you also have a net of wealth that you are accumulating so that you can have family, legacy and live that life. You know. So I always say like favorite motto right now has been like, you know, if you want to have an easy life, work hard now. And if you want to have, you know, a hard life, keep enjoying the instant gratification. Right. So you know, putting that time and effort into I think learn commercial real estate and jump in can be scary. And I think like you said, I think the two limiting beliefs that I hear all the time and, and what I experience too is you know, going it's the mindset of hey, I don't have enough money money like literally people that, that is the biggest thing that keeps them from moving forward. And I get it because I, you know, my first, my accidental rental, I bought a $300,000 house to a 3.1 million dollar storage facility. You know what I mean? The two differences are a big jump. They're all also like I have also bought a $500,000, you know, storage facility with 100 units. You know, so there's multiple different ways that you can do it. But the mindset is I always say like if you can be, get good at finding deals and you can always carve off a little piece of that pie and to someone else that has, you know, maybe a storage portfolio and now you have no money into that deal, you have infinite returns, you know, so you can get really creative with not having to have a lot of money of your own. Or you know, what you can do is find a partner, a money partner and be like, hey, I will do, I'll do the sweat equity, I will operate this thing. And hey, you come in as my, you know, you're a dentist, you love dentistry. But we can come together and we can take this deal down and own, you know, commercial real estate and own storage. And so that's how like my, my storage school was like founded was being able to help people get over those leaps and buy their first facility. Learning the things that you really need to know, which is like how to find how to analyze a deal and then how to fund it and then how to put offers in and operate it and then also getting past, you know, finding, exploring partnerships so that you can take a deal down together.

Mike Swenson
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Bree Hartman
So yeah, no, I'd love it. I so I'm on Instagram so definitely come by and say hi, it's Bree B R E e dot the investor. And then also if you guys are interested I can give you a 10. It's like a 10 step storage blueprint. Just text me the storage to 916-579-7209 and I will send you like that free resource. It's like 15 pages and then also has a back of the napkin analyzer which is really helpful. So I'd love to, love to provide like your listeners was just kind of like what are the next steps to kind of get started and it's just I, I, you know, you feel blessed that you're like hey I, I've learned this the stage and now I kind of want to help and like provide value and teach other people so that they can kind of get in and feel, you know, like hey, this is exactly what I need to be doing right now. I have to fast track their speed to buy their first facility.

Mike Swenson
Absolutely. Well, thank you so much Bree for coming on and sharing and yeah, for people listening, be sure to reach out to her. Thank you so much and best of luck as you guys continue to grow.